tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7741861999194728080.post5585773756774858191..comments2023-10-07T12:15:50.446+01:00Comments on The Centre Left: Livingstone logicRob Marchanthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11534810369839848312noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7741861999194728080.post-67705959124856889482012-04-18T00:18:09.815+01:002012-04-18T00:18:09.815+01:00Rob wrote: "when interviewed by LBC on Tuesda...Rob wrote: "when interviewed by LBC on Tuesday he offered to pay it back – in the event that he were elected Mayor."<br /><br />Livingstone said no such thing. He said he would change his tax arrangements if elected, because then he would only have need for his mayoral income, not any income through any company of his.<br /><br />He made no suggestion that he would pay anything "back".<br /><br />Did you misrepresent Livingstone accidentally or deliberately?ripponhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15655843142456290166noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7741861999194728080.post-36083346524510499622012-03-25T17:40:01.776+01:002012-03-25T17:40:01.776+01:00@andyholder: well, no. The Labour Party has been i...@andyholder: well, no. The Labour Party has been in no way deliberately targeting the Muslim community, in fact it has worked extremely hard building links with it (sometimes even stupidly funding extremist organisations in the process).<br /><br />Ken's strategy is quite different, and is as you point out sectarian. You either agree with that or you don't, and you should say which. I don't. But don't move the argument onto other areas, because it's (a) irrelevant and (b) moral relativism.Rob Marchanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11534810369839848312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7741861999194728080.post-36690277170249623112012-03-25T10:53:48.810+01:002012-03-25T10:53:48.810+01:00Rob;
I never said 'fair game';I describ...Rob;<br /><br /> I never said 'fair game';I described what I think is his political strategy,going for the Muslim vote over the Jewish vote and yes it is sectarian. But hasn't the Labour Party -with its illegal invasion of Iraq,dismantling big chunks of the civil liberties framework and advancing a surveillance society alongside - been doing just that against the muslim population? Respect Party didn't appear out of nothing,here was a community that was being directly harrassed,hence a significant amount of its population feeling 7/7 was partly a false flag operation,such was the feeling of paranoia. Interning young Asylum seekers added to this feeling.It's a logic sadly practised too often in Westminster;British Logic for British Politicians as Brown might have said,which translates to 'Scapegoat somebody'.<br />Fair game? Racist game.<br /><br />And 'attack' can be verbal or involve British sold rockets,missiles and hardware being dropped on your home,causing loss of life;640,000 people according to The Lancet.Fair game? War game.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7741861999194728080.post-11301404135088294562012-03-23T16:45:29.075+00:002012-03-23T16:45:29.075+00:00@LckyZm: we could. But probably not with these sel...@LckyZm: we could. But probably not with these selection processes.Rob Marchanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11534810369839848312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7741861999194728080.post-18419759690499975282012-03-23T16:32:28.884+00:002012-03-23T16:32:28.884+00:00@andyholder, so, Britain invaded Iraq so now any a...@andyholder, so, Britain invaded Iraq so now any attacks on the Jewish community are fair game, eh? Sorry, but I don't see the logic there at all.Rob Marchanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11534810369839848312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7741861999194728080.post-13870308695432730662012-03-23T13:30:48.763+00:002012-03-23T13:30:48.763+00:00A fair point made but the muslim population in the...A fair point made but the muslim population in the UK have been let down by an illegal war and the whole WMD debacle,not to mention very hostile policing and press. Being somebody's racist scapegoat isn't a great hoot;have you never heard of a politician buttering up his beloveds/potential voters before? After the Budget the old class divide, writ large under the past incumbents and added onto by our present ones,is back on the agenda. Muslim lover v Bullingdon Yob. Oh the agonies of the centre;mind how you sit on that fence now!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7741861999194728080.post-2066117124751171392012-03-22T19:24:51.120+00:002012-03-22T19:24:51.120+00:00My cousin is very nice but she does not get parach...My cousin is very nice but she does not get parachuted into safe seats by virtue of having been Euan Blair's mainsqueeze.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7741861999194728080.post-73394886238525913142012-03-22T16:51:14.427+00:002012-03-22T16:51:14.427+00:00Indeed, what can be done. Not much, I'm afraid...Indeed, what can be done. Not much, I'm afraid. Perhaps the Labour Party needs to reflect on a selection process which selects a candidate with such serious drawbacks, and against the wishes of a large swathe of the party.Rob Marchanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11534810369839848312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7741861999194728080.post-20414331606391424832012-03-22T16:09:28.208+00:002012-03-22T16:09:28.208+00:00But what can be done? Unfortunately he's the o...But what can be done? Unfortunately he's the official candidate, the only serious runner against Boris. Paddick's a nice enough chap but I don't think he's cut out to be mayor (plus he's a LibDem and torture wouldn't make me vote for anyone belonging to that party of quislings). The Greens? Also-rans.McToddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06468907025988134640noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7741861999194728080.post-56261403274837700672012-03-22T15:31:34.611+00:002012-03-22T15:31:34.611+00:00Oh, you old class warrior, you. She's very nic...Oh, you old class warrior, you. She's very nice.Rob Marchanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11534810369839848312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7741861999194728080.post-72572815681880292212012-03-22T15:30:39.084+00:002012-03-22T15:30:39.084+00:00He's a very odd man. Honestly, if I were a Lon...He's a very odd man. Honestly, if I were a London er, I'd vote for Boris over Ken (even as an ardent socialist.) It's a shame that the Labour party can't put forward a decent, morally sound left-wing candidate.LckyZmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10559046384469154285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7741861999194728080.post-70295848786264245402012-03-22T15:24:19.704+00:002012-03-22T15:24:19.704+00:00Better than the Luciana Berger scenario "Dadd...Better than the Luciana Berger scenario "Daddy it would be awfully jolly to be an MP."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7741861999194728080.post-53277250823831420702012-03-22T14:34:25.921+00:002012-03-22T14:34:25.921+00:00Oh yes, and he campaigns for candidates who stand ...Oh yes, and he campaigns for candidates who stand against the official Labour candidate. Always goes down well with the local party, that.Rob Marchanthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11534810369839848312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7741861999194728080.post-32613063547564372832012-03-22T13:29:45.964+00:002012-03-22T13:29:45.964+00:00Good point, I spoke with Labour activists and Ken ...Good point, I spoke with Labour activists and Ken is a bit of a pain isn't he? Graft, corruption and anti-semitism. 99% of Londoners vote on fares, crime, housing but Livingstone is such a dork trying to court Islam that he alienates moderate Jews.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com